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88Clipper

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need help from some canon users
« on: Jan 11, 14, 18:18 »
going to be going full frame (6d) once my 60d/lens sells and i'm torn between the kit 24-105 f4l lens or a 24-70 f4l. the price difference is only a few hundred more for the 24-70 but as far as i understand the sharpness is obviously better with it over the 24-105. another reason i'm considering the 24-70 is in the future i'll be buying a 70-200, so instead of having overlapping focal lengths and less sharpness would it be worth it to pay extra for the 24-70? or is the sharpness negligible? anyone with some real world experience with these lenses?

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Re: need help from some canon users
« Reply #1 on: Jan 11, 14, 18:59 »
I shoot nikon, but this question is pretty universal to any brand.  The question you need to ask yourself is do you want investment lenses or convenience lenses.  The 24-105 is obviously more convenient, having more coverage in the focal range, but it's not an investment piece.  Honestly, I wouldn't buy either of those lenses. I'd wait until you've got the skrilla to go for the 24-70 f2.8, not the f4.  That's a keeper lens.  It's a lens you buy once, you treat well, and you just keep it and it goes forever.   

Bodies will forever be changing.  Buy the right lenses and you only have to buy once, though it'll take you longer to get your full focal range covered. 

Jonnymooshoo

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Re: need help from some canon users
« Reply #2 on: Jan 11, 14, 19:36 »
(I also shoot nikon)

Ditto on the 24-70 2.8... it's a lens you'll keep forever. That being said, it also depends on your shooting style and what focal length you shoot at mostly.

I've opted to use fast primes for my normal focal lengths. I like the extra light I can get and the IQ is better than what you would get with the 24-70 f2.8.

A 35mm 1.4, handles most of what I shoot (automotive)
I also have a 50mm 1.8 (walkaround lens)
and an 85mm 1.8 for portraits

The three primes together are still cheaper than the 24-70 f2.8. The advantage of the zoom is flexibility. Wedding photographers love it because you can switch focal lengths very quickly without needing to change lenses and while the primes can give you better IQ, the zoom is no slouch either. It's great for travel too... I'd rather take the one lens on a trip than the 3 primes.

88Clipper

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Re: need help from some canon users
« Reply #3 on: Jan 11, 14, 19:47 »
well we're talking $900 difference for 1 stop. with the high iso capabilities and low noise on the 6d/5dmkiii and bodies to come from canon is it worth it for the 2.8? not to mention image stabilization on the lens. i do understand your point, but as a hobby i can't really justify the price for the 2.8! i mean $2499 for the lens is $600 more then the 6d body haha.

i generally shoot wide so i plan on splurging on the 16-35 2.8ii. but for walk around i definitely prefer a zoom. this last trip to california my girlfriend nearly killed me for switching between my 11-16 and rented 24-105l - she would definitely kill me with 3-4 primes...

i was happy with the 24-105 as far as a walk around goes, but if the 24-70 is noticeably sharper i can live without the extra 35mm focal length - i rarely used it maxed out anyways.

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Re: need help from some canon users
« Reply #4 on: Jan 11, 14, 21:36 »
It depends what you're shooting. IS won't help if you're subject is moving which is why most sports shooters like the extra stop of light and go for the f2.8

I'll throw a wrench your way... have you considered the Sigma 24-105 f4 art lens? At $899 USD It's about $250 cheaper than the Canon version.

I've been extremely happy with my 35mm f1.4 Art lens and you'll find that the build quality is on par/better than the canon.

http://youtu.be/YgB2U8aF9Ss

Jonnymooshoo

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Re: need help from some canon users
« Reply #5 on: Jan 11, 14, 21:44 »
This is the way I would go.. out performs the Canon lenses you are considering - the sharpest lens out of the three. I would go to a camera store and try it out for yourself but once you put this in your hand you'll notice the difference. It's an extremely well made lens. I think most likely It'll buy one as my "travel" lens for when they release the nikon mount.


88Clipper

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Re: need help from some canon users
« Reply #6 on: Jan 11, 14, 22:11 »
wow. well thanks for the insight. i've never really been a fan of sigma but based on the facts i'll have to give it a try before i make my decision. seems like a top notch lens!

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Re: need help from some canon users
« Reply #7 on: Jan 11, 14, 23:26 »
ive been reading good things from the new lineup from tamron, including the Tamron SP 24-70mm f/2.8 Di VC USD.

at a $1000 less its deff worth looking into. PLUS it has VC.

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Jonnymooshoo

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Re: need help from some canon users
« Reply #8 on: Jan 12, 14, 08:56 »
wow. well thanks for the insight. i've never really been a fan of sigma but based on the facts i'll have to give it a try before i make my decision. seems like a top notch lens!

Yeah I never liked sigma in the past because their lenses under performed and the build quality was so so. I did tons of research for my 35mm prime and the new Art series from sigma was $900 cheaper than the Nikon and out performed it significantly!

One bonus of the lens is that you can also buy a USB dock for the lens to update the firmware and fine tune the AF at multiple focal lengths. This will be very important for zoom lenses.
I bought it for my 35mm





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Re: need help from some canon users
« Reply #9 on: Jan 12, 14, 21:04 »
Sigma's gear has improved with the latest generations...although they weren't 'shitty' by any means before.  I liked both my 1st Gen. 10-20 and my 150-500.  Price points are also attractive.
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88Clipper

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Re: need help from some canon users
« Reply #10 on: Apr 04, 14, 17:33 »
Well for what it's worth I looked at sigmas gear and was close to purchasing it but instead went all canon... And broke my wallet. 6D body, 17-40 f4L, 50 f1.2L, 85 f1.2L, 430ex and a bunch of other goodies. I may just line the 50L and 85L on my coffee table for a week so I can drool buckets before shooting :)

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Re: need help from some canon users
« Reply #11 on: Apr 04, 14, 18:34 »
Did you buy them all new?
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Re: need help from some canon users
« Reply #12 on: Apr 04, 14, 19:05 »
Nice congrats!

Before you get the 50, you may want to hold out for Sigma's new 50mm 1.4 Art lens... it's supposed to out perform the $4000 Opus and is rumored to come in at $800

88Clipper

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Re: need help from some canon users
« Reply #13 on: Apr 04, 14, 20:41 »
Did you buy them all new?

yep bought it all new. i didn't want to go used unless it was a local sale and everything that i found was on ebay or b&h. i got a killer deal on the 85L and 50L buying them together with the 6D. i think they knocked off $400-$500 total buying everything together. not much but every little bit helps.

Nice congrats!

Before you get the 50, you may want to hold out for Sigma's new 50mm 1.4 Art lens... it's supposed to out perform the $4000 Opus and is rumored to come in at $800

$800?! f sakes... that's a killer price. my 50L cost me almost double that. unfortunately i already pulled the trigger though.

88Clipper

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Re: need help from some canon users
« Reply #14 on: Apr 05, 14, 13:22 »
Nice congrats!

Before you get the 50, you may want to hold out for Sigma's new 50mm 1.4 Art lens... it's supposed to out perform the $4000 Opus and is rumored to come in at $800

http://petapixel.com/2014/04/05/sigmas-50mm-art-lens-gets-a-solid-review-confirming-its-optical-prowess/#more-133067

full slrgear review in the link. they seem to think it'll sell for $1700usd. i don't know if it'll compete much with nikon or canon at that price... it's going to have to be a significant difference in IQ IMO.