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I really hope its nothing...
« on: Aug 16, 16, 21:30 »
So I get home from work, after a spirited drive along hwy 1 and decide to check my oil level. Oil is good and clean, level is where it should be but the motor sounded noisier than usual:

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For reference, here is a video I took after the oil pump blew up and was starving the top end of oil:

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Similar sound, but not nearly as loud. Same camera/phone took the two videos, same general height from above the engine bay.

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« Last Edit: Aug 16, 16, 21:36 by Shadow »

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Re: I really hope its nothing...
« Reply #1 on: Aug 17, 16, 08:44 »
That sounds like low oil pressure from something..

What oil are you running?

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« Reply #2 on: Aug 17, 16, 09:16 »
When I took a look at the front end of your car last saturday, it looked like the oil pan had been dented in and there were quite a few scratches on it but I didn't think much of it because the engine sounded really quiet.

Who knows, maybe the car did itself in again with another blow to the pan and now the pick up tube is crunched and starving the top end of oil?

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« Reply #3 on: Aug 17, 16, 12:47 »
That sounds like low oil pressure from something..

What oil are you running?

Can't find the bill from the last time the car had an oil change (coincidentally it was when the oil pump gave out last time). I'm pretty sure they put 5-30 full synthetic in, which brand though escapes me

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« Reply #4 on: Aug 17, 16, 12:49 »
That's some pretty light oil for these temps.   But if it still makes the noise cold its not because of too light of oil.

I'd run some 15w-40 next time.   

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« Reply #5 on: Aug 17, 16, 12:50 »
When I took a look at the front end of your car last saturday, it looked like the oil pan had been dented in and there were quite a few scratches on it but I didn't think much of it because the engine sounded really quiet.

Who knows, maybe the car did itself in again with another blow to the pan and now the pick up tube is crunched and starving the top end of oil?

The only incident I recall recently was the cat scraping on a jutted up piece of concrete when entering a parking lot last week on, I want to say Thursday. The oil pan has been through some real abuse, likely before me and with me as the owner.

What would the dealership charge me to bring the vehicle in to drop the oil pan to make sure it isnt the oil pump pick up, or the header feeder tube?

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« Reply #6 on: Aug 17, 16, 12:53 »
That's some pretty light oil for these temps.   But if it still makes the noise cold its not because of too light of oil.

I'd run some 15w-40 next time.

Yeah, mind you the oil was last changed in April/May, but haven't put much more than 2000 km's on the car since then since it was in the body shop for pretty much a full month, and then went on vacation for two weeks.

I'd definitely go with some heavier oil, probably change that out Friday or this weekend if I have time.

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« Reply #7 on: Aug 17, 16, 12:57 »
That's some pretty light oil for these temps.   But if it still makes the noise cold its not because of too light of oil.

I'd run some 15w-40 next time.

Yeah I just called the mechanic that did the oil pump/oil change job and he confirmed it was pretty likely 5-30 he put in.

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« Reply #8 on: Aug 17, 16, 13:03 »
Reading up online, some people say running Redline 0w40 year round isn't a bad option. Just looking for a price on that stuff

Edit: $20/L at Lordco, needing 6 bottles thats $120 for the oil. Jesus that's pricy
« Last Edit: Aug 17, 16, 13:11 by Shadow »

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« Reply #9 on: Aug 17, 16, 13:22 »
Just run 10-15W 40, it's a high mileage motor that has seen starvation you want something thicker.


I can get you the good stuff, Liquimoly MoS2 AF 10W-40 for like 8 bucks a liter. It's specifically designed for high mile German engines.

« Last Edit: Aug 17, 16, 13:22 by aba16v »

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« Reply #10 on: Aug 17, 16, 13:24 »
Just run 10-15W 40, it's a high mileage motor that has seen starvation you want something thicker.


I can get you the good stuff, Liquimoly MoS2 AF 10W-40 for like 8 bucks a liter. It's specifically designed for high mile German engines.

Done, just PM me where to pick it up, lol. That's a good price!

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« Reply #11 on: Aug 17, 16, 14:08 »
Don't buy oil from Lordco. Even they guys behind the counter will tell u there are better deals out there. Canadian tire and Walmart always have deals on oil. I wouldn't bother with synthetic in that car either.
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« Reply #12 on: Aug 17, 16, 14:18 »
Don't buy oil from Lordco. Even they guys behind the counter will tell u there are better deals out there. Canadian tire and Walmart always have deals on oil. I wouldn't bother with synthetic in that car either.

Yeah I was mostly following up on something I'd read online. Reading up on the LiquiMoly semi-synthetic it sounds like pretty good stuff

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« Reply #13 on: Aug 17, 16, 14:25 »
Just jam any 15w40 oil in there
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« Reply #14 on: Aug 17, 16, 15:29 »
GTX HM 10w40 is a decent choice if you can get it on sale. It was the only oil that our old 2.0L AEG didn't consume.

I wouldn't bother with synthetic or boutique oils for this application.

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« Reply #15 on: Aug 22, 16, 12:37 »
Well I don't know if these two events are related, but a day or two after this op I started noticing a slow coolant leak. Been topping it off and today....

Motor died after turning onto Seymour from Hastings toward Cordova.

Clutched in thinking I stalled it while creeping up to the intersection, engine turned over briefly then died again. Clutched in and let it coast to the shoulder lane just before the intersection.

Engine seems to be seized, it won't turn over. Getting towed now back to my house so I can do a compression test and try to figure out what the hell happened.

When I got out after parking, and looked underneath from the front, it was pissing down coolant from the oil filter housing area, so it's gotta be migrating from somewhere.

I do know that when I had it up on a hoist after noticing the coolant leak the water pump seems to be having an issue, but the water pump going wouldn't cause the engine to seize would it?








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Re: I really hope its nothing...
« Reply #16 on: Aug 22, 16, 12:55 »
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Re: I really hope its nothing...
« Reply #17 on: Aug 22, 16, 13:13 »
You really have no luck with cars....

IT reminds me of my '87 Audi....everything I did to that car was followed by it needing something else.  lol

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« Reply #18 on: Aug 22, 16, 13:35 »
You really have no luck with cars....

IT reminds me of my '87 Audi....everything I did to that car was followed by it needing something else.  lol

Dude, I can't even convey the feels I have right now. On top of everything as my car was being backed into my parking stall, I was approached by another townhouse complex resident threatening to have my vehicle towed, because he had to wait all of 15 seconds for the truck to move out of his way as he was entering the complex.

I'm not entirely sure how I kept my cool, because an ignorant punk getting in my face is not conducive to keeping my temper in check.

First things first, I'm going to finish working from home, tomorrow I will see if I can beg, borrow or buy a compression test tool to make sure the head isn't obviously warped.

From there I'll have to get it towed to a shop in order to get it on a hoist for a thorough diagnosis.


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« Reply #19 on: Aug 22, 16, 13:39 »
Dude, I can't even convey the feels I have right now. On top of everything as my car was being backed into my parking stall, I was approached by another townhouse complex resident threatening to have my vehicle towed, because he had to wait all of 15 seconds for the truck to move out of his way as he was entering the complex.

I'm not entirely sure how I kept my cool, because an ignorant punk getting in my face is not conducive to keeping my temper in check.

First things first, I'm going to finish working from home, tomorrow I will see if I can beg, borrow or buy a compression test tool to make sure the head isn't obviously warped.

From there I'll have to get it towed to a shop in order to get it on a hoist for a thorough diagnosis.


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My mechanic told me not to bring my audi back to him in the end.....lol
it died on the side of the road one cold January night...impounded and then I sold it for the price of the tow.($80)....I had about $3000 into it in the end and just walked away....best decision ever.

Not saying to do that to this though...lol

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« Reply #20 on: Aug 22, 16, 13:40 »
My mechanic told me not to bring my audi back to him in the end.....lol
it died on the side of the road one cold January night...impounded and then I sold it for the price of the tow.($80)....I had about $3000 into it in the end and just walked away....best decision ever.

Not saying to do that to this though...lol

Lol, yeah just gonna figure it out to see what's what and make a decision after that.


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« Reply #21 on: Aug 22, 16, 14:18 »
Just grab one of these from Canadian tire, at least you'll know what you're up against.

http://www.canadiantire.ca/en/pdp/equus-compression-tester-kit-0251016p.html

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« Reply #22 on: Aug 22, 16, 14:33 »
Good little compression tester I have one.

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« Reply #23 on: Aug 22, 16, 14:34 »
Good little compression tester I have one.

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« Reply #24 on: Aug 22, 16, 15:35 »
Just checked the car again after letting sit for a bit, and it wont even get a quarter of a crank, it just goes "Whiiiir." then stops dead. Pretty sure this engine is seized, if that's the case then I wouldn't be able to do a compression test even if I wanted to.

Meanwhile I've found a VR6 engine complete with 220K (same rough mileage as my car) for 300 bucks. Need to find someone who can do the swap for me, I've been getting away with doing interior stuff to my car here at home, no way I could get away with doing a full engine swap.

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« Reply #25 on: Aug 22, 16, 15:41 »
Just checked the car again after letting sit for a bit, and it wont even get a quarter of a crank, it just goes "Whiiiir." then stops dead. Pretty sure this engine is seized, if that's the case then I wouldn't be able to do a compression test even if I wanted to.

Meanwhile I've found a VR6 engine complete with 220K (same rough mileage as my car) for 300 bucks. Need to find someone who can do the swap for me, I've been getting away with doing interior stuff to my car here at home, no way I could get away with doing a full engine swap.

With the luck you've had so far I'd be hesitant to grab a motor with that many kms on it and just toss it in.  Look for a low mileage motor that can be dropped in or look to grab one and have the chains done, seals, etc before it goes it.  Paying someone to do it twice is where this ends up otherwise. 

If it were me I'd be cutting my losses and selling it for what I could get for it, done deal.  This is a great example of a car that's been abused a lot in it's life and not taken care of, that's going to result in mountains of money being needed to even get it back to reliable again.
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« Reply #26 on: Aug 22, 16, 15:49 »
I would definitely recommend doing the chains, clutch etc.. as Mike mentioned.  At 220k, its not high mileage for a VR6, but the chains and guides would be well overdue.

My swap will have 281k on it from its donor, but I'll be going through everything before it gets dropped in.

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« Reply #27 on: Aug 22, 16, 16:32 »
Even if the motor is only 300, I'd have to spend at least another 400-500 in parts just to make sure its all up to spec. Toss in another 500-600 for someone to do the swap (more if its a shop doing the work), I'm looking at 1200-1400 and that's being conservative.

If that's the case, I'm severely leaning toward selling the car as a rolling shell needing a transplant.

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« Reply #28 on: Aug 22, 16, 16:42 »
If that's the case, I'm severely leaning toward selling the car as a rolling shell needing a transplant.

Smartest thing I've seen you say yet.

If you want a mk3 that bad and have some connection with them just grab this well taken care of example and be into it for much less than you'd be for your current one to be even half the car.

http://dubberz.com/forum/mk3-dubz-for-sale/1999-silver-arrow-vr-gti/
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« Reply #29 on: Aug 22, 16, 16:48 »
Smartest thing I've seen you say yet.

If you want a mk3 that bad and have some connection with them just grab this well taken care of example and be into it for much less than you'd be for your current one to be even half the car.

http://dubberz.com/forum/mk3-dubz-for-sale/1999-silver-arrow-vr-gti/

I would in a heart beat. Problem is for what I'm into this for already, there is zero chance that the better half lets me tack on another 5k to what has been a disastrous exercise in futility; considering we're saving for a house, any plans of mine to build up something psudo-performance is going to have to be put on hold for a little bit.

At this point I would trade this VR straight across for a solid no problems CL, or base line Jetta. Biggest thing right now being affected is my commute, just need to be able to get to and from work with no hassles. The performance stuff like I say will have to wait a bit.

I tried being optimistic with this car, but I have to say I'm losing the battle of wits. At this point I'm just really losing faith.
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« Reply #30 on: Aug 22, 16, 17:35 »
You're getting a steal of a deal if someone is willing to do a head gasket, chains, clutch, and engine install for under a grand. That's probably 25 hours at caffeine shaking tech speed, or 40-50 for normal people who do that stuff regularly. Assuming no hiccups on a 20 year old VW.  Might as well put the engine on a stand, do rod bearings, rings, seals, and fully clean everything while you're at it.

$500 MK2 shell
$800 VR beater
$1200 in parts (full clutch kit, exhaust, everything done to spec).

= $4000+ car. We're talking clean MK2 shell, full 5x100 swap, good tires, proper install. None of that hoopty 4x100 rear drum nonsense people are asking 5g for. People doing those kinds of swaps aren't in it for the money, but when it pays better and involves less headache than dealing with customers/time constraints it's a no brainer option. 


Best of luck, I bet the engine is fine and just needs a couple thou shaved off the head and a hearty battery. It should take more to kill this motor.

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« Reply #31 on: Aug 22, 16, 17:55 »
You're getting a steal of a deal if someone is willing to do a head gasket, chains, clutch, and engine install for under a grand. That's probably 25 hours at caffeine shaking tech speed, or 40-50 for normal people who do that stuff regularly. Assuming no hiccups on a 20 year old VW.  Might as well put the engine on a stand, do rod bearings, rings, seals, and fully clean everything while you're at it.

$500 MK2 shell
$800 VR beater
$1200 in parts (full clutch kit, exhaust, everything done to spec).

= $4000+ car. We're talking clean MK2 shell, full 5x100 swap, good tires, proper install. None of that hoopty 4x100 rear drum nonsense people are asking 5g for. People doing those kinds of swaps aren't in it for the money, but when it pays better and involves less headache than dealing with customers/time constraints it's a no brainer option. 


Best of luck, I bet the engine is fine and just needs a couple thou shaved off the head and a hearty battery. It should take more to kill this motor.

I'm going to get PG performance to take a look, found someone willing to tow it for next to nothing and that shop is only 5km from my house. Once I know exactly what the issue is we'll see what gets done.

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« Reply #32 on: Aug 22, 16, 18:45 »
You're getting a steal of a deal if someone is willing to do a head gasket, chains, clutch, and engine install for under a grand. That's probably 25 hours at caffeine shaking tech speed, or 40-50 for normal people who do that stuff regularly.

40-50 hours? what are you, union government or something? :suspicious: That's an easy 24 hours or less. Weekend job.
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« Reply #33 on: Aug 22, 16, 20:45 »
Gotta get my hazard pay and squeeze in a manicure man. I'd be lying if I said i didn't check timing a good dozen times and still panic on first starts  :lol: Plus you've gotta clean, double clean, spend at least 10 hours looking for tools, change rod bearings for no good reason, and then spend two hours looking for a front end bolt that somehow made it in the box. Could never do production level wrenching, more of an obsessive tinkerer  :stupid:
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« Reply #34 on: Aug 22, 16, 21:56 »
didn't you have a thread a couple days ago about poor oil pressure and a noisey motor ?
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« Reply #35 on: Aug 22, 16, 21:57 »
Gotta get my hazard pay and squeeze in a manicure man. I'd be lying if I said i didn't check timing a good dozen times and still panic on first starts  :lol: Plus you've gotta clean, double clean, spend at least 10 hours looking for tools, change rod bearings for no good reason, and then spend two hours looking for a front end bolt that somehow made it in the box. Could never do production level wrenching, more of an obsessive tinkerer  :stupid:

 :lol:

So uh, yeah. After checking the car again, I suspect there are two separate issues at play here, that just happened to coincide at the same time.

1. Battery. My guess is the battery has been on its last leg for some time, and the addition of a 250w RMS amp didn't help matters much. So it's possible that the amp has been causing too much strain on the battery. With the key to ACC ON position, I get enough battery to power the windows, stereo and locks. Trying to start, it seems like not enough CCA's are available to the starter. As for the car stopping while driving, my guess is the battery was drained and the alternator just couldn't keep the battery charged enough and the car stalled out.

I tried grabbing my booster pack to see if that would help, and it produced more results than trying to crank on just the battery alone. The booster though wasn't fully charged and 2 cycles of trying to start the engine resulted in a drained booster. It's charging and I'll be verifying in the morning.

2. Coolant leak. This seems to be a bit of a mystery still, there was a pre-existing slow leak coming from the water pump that started a couple of days ago. It's possible that the pump gave out at the same time the car stalled out and that perhaps my attempt to jump the car with a rolling start may have caused enough force on the belt to ruin the rest of what little seal was remaining. This one is just a guess though, I'll be taking the car into PG Performance tomorrow morning if I can get the battery jumped, hopefully the car can last the short 3.4 KM drive to the shop.

Once I get these issues sorted out, I still plan on selling the car, maybe the next owner will have better luck sussing out all of the Gremlins than I had.
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« Reply #36 on: Aug 22, 16, 22:00 »
didn't you have a thread a couple days ago about poor oil pressure and a noisey motor ?

Lol, yeah, that's this thread. I've been monitoring that issue since and it hasn't occurred again. The day it happened, it was one of the hotter days so the prevailing theory is that the thin oil thinned out too much and wasn't providing enough coverage (or whatever the mechanical speak is for that process).

I'm going to give it a 10w40 LiquiMoly Mos2 oil change and see if that helps things.

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« Reply #37 on: Aug 23, 16, 09:42 »
I would suggest buying the $300 engine.....and rebuilding it cleaning it up and beautifying it to go into your car.


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« Reply #38 on: Aug 23, 16, 10:01 »
Please refer back to your "i'm welding this rusted out mk3 back together" thread where i told you something to the effect of you were throwing money down the drain.

You simply should've spent a bit more out of the gates and started with a better example.  This car will continue to be an exercise in futility and sucking your bank account dry.  This won't be the last thing that goes wrong on it.

It's beat.  Cut your losses.

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« Reply #39 on: Aug 23, 16, 10:03 »
Actually, I take it back.  I suggest you and killerb09 keep leading each other in circles around repairing your beat mk3s.  Between the two of you and all the issues, you're keeping the forum alive. 

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« Reply #40 on: Aug 23, 16, 10:04 »
Actually, I take it back.  I suggest you and killerb09 keep leading each other in circles around repairing your beat mk3s.  Between the two of you and all the issues, you're keeping the forum alive. 

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« Reply #41 on: Aug 23, 16, 10:18 »
Meh.
Some people like to buy things pristine and new.....
other like to work on cars and make them pristine and new.  This is whats wrong with todays world....scrap everything because it's broken and just get new....cars, relationships, electronics, etc, etc.

There is no such thing as a 25yo car that doesn't need work and constant maintenance.  If you want one of those they sell them at the dealer and they cost you about $20k on the road.

I haven't even come close to the budget I set on my VR, and it runs like a champ and after doing some suspension work drives smooth, but I'm guessing 90% of the members on here would have scraped the car since it needed some bushings....





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« Reply #42 on: Aug 23, 16, 10:26 »
Meh.
Some people like to buy things pristine and new.....
other like to work on cars and make them pristine and new.  This is whats wrong with todays world....scrap everything because it's broken and just get new....cars, relationships, electronics, etc, etc.

There is no such thing as a 25yo car that doesn't need work and constant maintenance.  If you want one of those they sell them at the dealer and they cost you about $20k on the road.

I haven't even come close to the budget I set on my VR, and it runs like a champ and after doing some suspension work drives smooth, but I'm guessing 90% of the members on here would have scraped the car since it needed some bushings....

There is a big difference between taking a good example of whatever model you prefer and making something out of it and buying a roach that has been abused all it's life and isn't worth putting the dollars into.  The days of well made cars are behind us.  Taking a MK3 GTI that needs what it's worth to purchase in rust repair alone and calling it a project is silly when you can grab one for the same dollars that doesn't need all that work, it's called being selective in how you choose a car and buying the right one.  Trying to justify a poor purchase by claiming people don't know how to stick with a project anymore doesn't work.  Being smart about what you buy and looking for the cleanest example available is the best place to start and that apparently alludes you. 

But you keep sinking your money into the roaches, it helps to keep the economy rolling and gives us a laugh on here.
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« Reply #43 on: Aug 23, 16, 11:23 »
You can do everything right and still come out where you are.  A major part of it is luck. People buy roaches and bring them back all the time.

At the end, even if you put a new motor in you would be into this car for less then some people spend on car payments in a year.

I'm not saying you should do that if its not in the budget, but I wouldn't give up. 
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« Reply #44 on: Aug 23, 16, 12:03 »
I guess if you think about it this way;

You're still financially ahead of the guy who leases a new car (aka - a rental), you're still ahead financially of the guy who finances a car (depreciation sucks) But you are behind the guy who had a better car to begin with.


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« Reply #45 on: Aug 23, 16, 12:06 »
I really don't understand how people can drive a vehicle that is literally slapping them in the face telling them its dying a slow death, they keep driving it until it fails and then they write a forum post about it.

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« Reply #46 on: Aug 23, 16, 12:06 »
I guess if you think about it this way;

You're still financially ahead of the guy who leases a new car (aka - a rental), you're still ahead financially of the guy who finances a car (depreciation sucks) But you are behind the guy who had a better car to begin with.

You may be slightly ahead financially but your time is worth something, the guy who has a new car doesn't have to worry about being in his garage every day trying to get an old bucket running again or worrying that the next trip dt it's going to break down, that is worth much more than its given credit for.

Being "ahead" is very subjective I'd say.
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Re: I really hope its nothing...
« Reply #47 on: Aug 23, 16, 12:13 »
Being "ahead" is very subjective I'd say.

Time, totally!

I don't know how much time he's invested into this VR6, but I maintain all of my own cars and I don't find the maintenance only portion of owning an older car to be time consuming.

Now, since he's running into a wall with major issues every week, that's a different story!

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Re: I really hope its nothing...
« Reply #48 on: Aug 23, 16, 12:25 »
If someone wants to own and old car it's going to kick their ass.  That's just how it goes.

You can walk down the rows at the GCVWS and be rest assured most of those cars have delivered plenty of ass kicking. I guess they could have all been scrapped and we could just have a MK6/7 class.

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« Reply #49 on: Aug 23, 16, 12:29 »
If someone wants to own and old car it's going to kick their ass.  That's just how it goes.

You can walk down the rows at the GCVWS and be rest assured most of those cars have delivered plenty of ass kicking. I guess they could have all been scrapped and we could just have a MK6/7 class.

There are lots of older car that have been well taken care of and require very little maintenance. But there are plenty that have been abused or modified so far that they are no longer reliable and will cause more headaches than they are worth.
I have no problem wrenching in the garage on something, but I don't need that with the my daily driver. I want to hop in he daily and turn the key with no thoughts that today might be the day that it lets me down, I don't have time or patience for that.
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Re: I really hope its nothing...
« Reply #50 on: Aug 23, 16, 12:35 »
i get project cars - a hobby, where you go out to your garage and do work yourself. Always start with a clean base though.

I don't get buying nuggets, and paying retail labour when clean rust free examples are available with minimum difficulty in finding them

The silver arrow VR on this site is asking like 6k? - how are you going to do full mechanical and bodywork to a rusty 2k Mk3 and come out "ahead"

If guys did their own work - maybe. Sounds like you can't even park an inop car at your condo - certainly not going to do a respray down there - or toss in a motor.

I'd have cut bait if the car was free.


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« Reply #51 on: Aug 23, 16, 14:16 »
There is a big difference between taking a good example of whatever model you prefer and making something out of it and buying a roach that has been abused all it's life and isn't worth putting the dollars into.  The days of well made cars are behind us.  Taking a MK3 GTI that needs what it's worth to purchase in rust repair alone and calling it a project is silly when you can grab one for the same dollars that doesn't need all that work, it's called being selective in how you choose a car and buying the right one.  Trying to justify a poor purchase by claiming people don't know how to stick with a project anymore doesn't work.  Being smart about what you buy and looking for the cleanest example available is the best place to start and that apparently alludes you. 

But you keep sinking your money into the roaches, it helps to keep the economy rolling and gives us a laugh on here.

Its ok if you don't understand, you likely are born, and raised on the west coast where rust is a bad word and the minute you see it the project gets scrapped.....
on the other hand....some of us have had to deal with rust on cars that are less then 10 years old in order to keep them on the road.  Learning experience in areas that have yearly inspections.


My cars not a roach, it runs fantastic, pulls hard, is fun to drive and will continue to be fun to drive while I own it.  Needs some body love yes, but it's not even close to the worst I've fixed up, at least with this one when you turn bolts then come undone and don't just break.  I've already started the planning to do the body work and refresh on the paint.  Not a big deal when you enjoy working on cars as a hobby and have friends with the skill to help you out for beer.

You're always welcome to laugh at what I do, but I won't differ in what I do to my cars, it's called "customization" not "do what the masses do" for a reason.

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« Reply #52 on: Aug 23, 16, 14:45 »
You're always welcome to laugh at what I do, but I won't differ in what I do to my cars, it's called "customization" not "do what the masses do" for a reason.

Is it called customization or is it just called trying to keep an old car alive?

You're new around here but I can assure you I've built plenty of "custom" cars over the years, I just tend to be choosy when I pick one up, I don't like to grab the high mile, rusted out example when I can start with a good example and work my way from there.  Make work projects aren't my cup of tea, I prefer to work on cars that are worth working on.

But of course I'm not from back east, blah, blah, blah.
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Re: I really hope its nothing...
« Reply #53 on: Aug 23, 16, 15:12 »
Just scrap this damn car and start new, there are plenty of clean mk3 going for cheap now.

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Re: I really hope its nothing...
« Reply #54 on: Aug 23, 16, 15:19 »
Is it called customization or is it just called trying to keep an old car alive?
You're new around here but I can assure you I've built plenty of "custom" cars over the years, I just tend to be choosy when I pick one up, I don't like to grab the high mile, rusted out example when I can start with a good example and work my way from there.  Make work projects aren't my cup of tea, I prefer to work on cars that are worth working on.
But of course I'm not from back east, blah, blah, blah.

Lets just agree to disagree, I know you don't like me nor my way of doing things.  We've never met, possibility of ever meeting is about the same as me being face to face with the PM.

Enjoy your new car, I'll enjoy my old one.

period

anyone have a link to some of these "cheap and clean mk3 GTI VR6's?"

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Re: I really hope its nothing...
« Reply #55 on: Aug 23, 16, 15:21 »
Actually, I take it back.  I suggest you and killerb09 keep leading each other in circles around repairing your beat mk3s.  Between the two of you and all the issues, you're keeping the forum alive. 

This is the best quote of the year!!!!!!!
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« Reply #56 on: Aug 23, 16, 15:49 »
Its ok if you don't understand, you likely are born, and raised on the west coast


Why do you east coasters always point this out?
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« Reply #57 on: Aug 23, 16, 15:53 »

Why do you east coasters always point this out?


Apparently that makes us soft and lacking in appreciating for cars that have rust all through them.
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« Reply #58 on: Aug 23, 16, 15:56 »
Apparently that makes us soft and lacking in appreciating for cars that have rust all through them.


Cause we don't love shitty things?  Call me soft then.
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« Reply #59 on: Aug 23, 16, 15:56 »
Dan you're soft

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« Reply #60 on: Aug 23, 16, 15:57 »

Cause we don't love shitty things?  Call me soft then.

:rofl: :rofl:

I *heart* you Dan, but you're soft.
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Re: I really hope its nothing...
« Reply #62 on: Aug 23, 16, 16:17 »
FWIW, I made the decisions I did, and learned some lessons along the way. The biggest lesson I learned is that your project should not be your daily.

Beyond that, depending on your willingness to spend time and money, anything is worth "restoring". A car is a simple thing, it's a chassis, motor, suspension and all the bits that connect it into a cohesive machine to propel you forward. When shit goes sideways you fix it, and if you fix it right that same thing no longer becomes an issue.

I was skeptical when I first looked to buy the car, but apparently my level of skepticism wasn't nearly high enough.

If I had to do it all over again, knowing what I know about this particular car now, I might do it again but with some major caveats; those being low ball the shit out of the guy selling it, getting it cheaper than I already had, store it in a garage, strip it down to nothing and build it back up piece by piece for the enjoyment of tackling a challenging project.

The biggest mistake I made was trying to get this car back to a good status while also daily driving it.

Relative worth is all about perspective, I've got mine now and know that the next project I take on won't be taken on unless most of the above caveats are met.

Honestly at this point, the car is pretty much destined to become a track pig, someone to buy it strip it, give it some love and put it back together, however that said it also wouldn't take much more to get it back into daily status, none of you have driven this car, you've only seen what I've posted -- big difference between drawing conclusions without full context and experiencing the car for yourself.

Even a well kept car will have things like water pumps, timing chains, and the rest go bad... it's what cars do. The difference here is this car came to a caring owner too far into it's life.

C'est la vie
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« Reply #63 on: Aug 23, 16, 16:21 »
We have different definitions of "clean and cheap" I guess.

Like I said before, agree to disagree on saving cars.  Guys have been doing it to muscle cars ever since there were muscle cars.  Some people don't agree with it nor understand rust repair or why to do it.  The idea of scraping a car and sending it to parts because of minor rust issues just seems wrong to me.  I wouldn't do it to just any car but to my car I feel it's worth doing to me, espespecially since I do all my own work and finding a nice oem untouched car is what I look for.  Not something that has a bunch of modifications and splices etc.  Replace normal wear parts with new and know it's all fresh.   

But feel free to not agree, it's the best part of working on cars, everyone has an opinion and they're all correct to that person.

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« Reply #64 on: Aug 23, 16, 16:29 »
Also for the record, it turns out to be two separate issues coinciding at once: starter and likely water pump. Not the most devastating of things to go on a car, and two of the most heavily utilized components not internal to the engine itself.


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« Reply #65 on: Aug 23, 16, 16:42 »
The biggest lesson I learned is that your project should not be your daily.

THIS!!!

I've seen worse cars turn into beautiful works of automotive art, but they've been side lined, put in a garage and had most every wear component replaced due to age. 

Things that you are having to repair (starter, coolant items, oil pan / pump, suspension, tie rods, battery, or whatever else) are all wear and tear items that most people here with the space, time and money would probably refresh if this were their project car.  You happen to be experiencing them while trying to keep the car running as reliably as possible on a daily basis.  Its not that you can't do this, but VR6's are EXPENSIVE to maintain and up keep when neglected. 

Great thread!  It was very entertaining at work, LOL!

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« Reply #66 on: Aug 23, 16, 16:50 »
THIS!!!

I've seen worse cars turn into beautiful works of automotive art, but they've been side lined, put in a garage and had most every wear component replaced due to age. 

Things that you are having to repair (starter, coolant items, oil pan / pump, suspension, tie rods, battery, or whatever else) are all wear and tear items that most people here with the space, time and money would probably refresh if this were their project car.  You happen to be experiencing them while trying to keep the car running as reliably as possible on a daily basis.  Its not that you can't do this, but VR6's are EXPENSIVE to maintain and up keep when neglected. 

Great thread!  It was very entertaining at work, LOL!

Yeah, the critical thing I've been missing here the entire time was the space. If I had the space, the car would have been parked and stripped when the first thing that went wrong with it, did so. It was foolish to think that I'd be able to keep up with the car by getting things done as they went.

In retrospect, I think what I was chasing more was the idea of what I wanted this car to be, instead of simply facing the reality of what it was/is. Like a compulsive gambler, sometimes you don't know when to pull the plug, I got lured into the venomous venus flytrap. The car showed me just enough of it's potential for me to let my guard down.

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« Reply #67 on: Aug 23, 16, 16:57 »
Well if nothing else it's been cause for some great discussions as you've gone through this.  Otherwise it would be pretty quiet on here, not much happening these days.

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« Reply #68 on: Aug 23, 16, 17:06 »
Well if nothing else it's been cause for some great discussions as you've gone through this.  Otherwise it would be pretty quiet on here, not much happening these days.

Where's my goddamn appearance fee? Lol, it's all good. Whether people laugh or not, I've learnt things I didn't know beforehand, and that knowledge will serve me well in the future. Sucks though that the only thing that gets people talking is the vehicular calamity of others.

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« Reply #69 on: Aug 23, 16, 17:21 »
The idea of scraping a car

Scraping a car:



Scrapping a car:



Now at least you learned *something* today.


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« Reply #70 on: Aug 23, 16, 19:50 »
At least u know for next project. Everyone has made bad decisions in the past with project cars and seems like u didn't spent near as much as some ppl do.

I have to say, I learned my lesson 16 years ago. I was 20 and every penny I made went into the car and at the end lost close to 30k. I had fame back in 2000 and everyone knew me even in Germany but at the end I didn't get any of my money back.

Now I really think of it......................... I have lost so much more recently switching cars almost every year.... :( V10 S6, Mk2 TT, A7, and losing money every day with my current SQ5...... Arg.... Lol
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« Reply #71 on: Aug 23, 16, 19:55 »
At least u know for next project. Everyone has made bad decisions in the past with project cars and seems like u didn't spent near as much as some ppl do.

I have to say, I learned my lesson 16 years ago. I was 20 and every penny I made went into the car and at the end lost close to 30k. I had fame back in 2000 and everyone knew me even in Germany but at the end I didn't get any of my money back.

Now I really think of it......................... I have lost so much more recently switching cars almost every year.... :( V10 S6, Mk2 TT, A7, and losing money every day with my current SQ5...... Arg.... Lol

Yeah in the end I don't look at vehicles as a medium for monetary return on investment. I look at cars and spending money on them for a return on investment quantified by the amount of fun I have driving those cars.

Right now however I need to switch gears a bit and cut unnecessary expenses in order to scrounge up the absurd amount of money needed to buy a house.

I'd rather cut my losses and lose 6-7 grand now and revisit a project in the future so I can do it right and actually save money building it.


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« Reply #72 on: Aug 23, 16, 19:56 »
Houses are a project then selves. Between them and the kids I have zero time. Nothing like having a fire breathing Audi sitting in the garage that needs rings.

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« Reply #73 on: Aug 23, 16, 20:09 »
I feel you bros.
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« Reply #74 on: Aug 23, 16, 20:23 »
My garage will make any car guy cry right now.

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« Reply #75 on: Aug 23, 16, 20:39 »
My garage will make any car guy cry right now.

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« Reply #76 on: Aug 24, 16, 07:40 »
Well if nothing else it's been cause for some great discussions as you've gone through this.  Otherwise it would be pretty quiet on here, not much happening these days.



Even Vortex has been quiet on the MK2/MK3 side of things, guess most people have decided to move onto the newer models.

But you are welcome for the comedic posts from myself about my cars.

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Re: I really hope its nothing...
« Reply #77 on: Aug 24, 16, 10:07 »
killerb09 why dont you show everyone your previous projects. I know that you are newish to this forum and they do not know what you are capable of. Prove them wrong by showing your completed or none completed projects.

I can show you multiple projects that i have done.

MK2 Rallye VR6 swap project


broke down corrado VRT project


and my Rabbit


 
my A59



MK3 i did all the body work (shave, pulled fenders) and full respray



these are just few of my previous projects. I have respect for Germanstyle because i have seen his previous projects.
 
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« Reply #78 on: Aug 24, 16, 11:03 »
ah.....Here we go with the pissing contest.....your projects are far superior then mine in all respects.   

 I don't have nor am I willing to spend $30-50k+ on modifying a car, I spent that money on an Education.

Also I respect those people who respect me, period.  I've met some great people in the auto tuning business, and then I've met some of the biggest assholes I have made the pleasure of laying eyes on.  But that's just me, I'm opinionated and since I no longer have to deal with the general public directly I don't have good people skills developed any more.






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« Reply #79 on: Aug 24, 16, 11:46 »
You just got to be smart with your money, I mean I'm 18 turning 19 soon and I bought my mk3 about 2 years ago next month, Going to college, working part time, buying parts and still managing to buy little things for my car. Soon about to buy a vr6 this coming December and that will be my project. I'm happily able to spend 30k-40k easy on a car lol it brings me happiness, I mean I'm getting to the point where i don't know what to do with my car and going through a withdraw of not working, Too many people live above there needs now a days especially in Vancouver thinking they have to have it, I see a lot of people drive with Gucci watches and what not since i don't pay attention to that stuff and be driving a cavalier but that's non of my business; got to manage that money a bit better always something to impress another.
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« Reply #80 on: Aug 24, 16, 12:15 »
You say....


ah.....Here we go with the pissing contest.....your projects are far superior then mine in all respects.   

Yet.....


Quote
I don't have nor am I willing to spend $30-50k+ on modifying a car, I spent that money on an Education.


Maybe step back from arguing cars and argue student loans.
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« Reply #81 on: Aug 24, 16, 12:26 »
Pretty epic thread hijack. This is so far removed from the original point for having started it to begin with.

Funny thing is the mods are equally culpable in continuing the downward spiral.

Peace.


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« Reply #82 on: Aug 24, 16, 12:27 »
ah.....Here we go with the pissing contest.....your projects are far superior then mine in all respects.   

 I don't have nor am I willing to spend $30-50k+ on modifying a car, I spent that money on an Education.

Also I respect those people who respect me, period.  I've met some great people in the auto tuning business, and then I've met some of the biggest assholes I have made the pleasure of laying eyes on.  But that's just me, I'm opinionated and since I no longer have to deal with the general public directly I don't have good people skills developed any more.

That corrado cost me $11,000 at the end. That's inc the car and everything.

MK3 golf that I painted cost me $6000 where it was.

This MK3 Vento cost me $4500


Also why do u think everyone here is to attack you? I'm just stating that give us an idea what ur projects are like so ppl will shut up. just my .2cents.
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« Reply #83 on: Aug 24, 16, 12:44 »
Also why do u think everyone here is to attack you?

It's an East Coast thing. You wouldn't understand.
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« Reply #84 on: Aug 24, 16, 12:48 »
It's an East Coast thing. You wouldn't understand.

Ah ic!!!
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« Reply #85 on: Aug 24, 16, 12:49 »
It's been to long since we have had an epic thread!!!
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« Reply #86 on: Aug 24, 16, 12:51 »

Why do you east coasters always point this out?


I'm born Alberta tuff :suspicious:

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« Reply #87 on: Aug 24, 16, 13:16 »
Should we keep it going? 

Or has everyone been sufficiently amused and completed their attacks?

I'm surprised that no one has push it personal yet, usually that's where these things go.


That corrado cost me $11,000 at the end. That's inc the car and everything.
MK3 golf that I painted cost me $6000 where it was.
This MK3 Vento cost me $4500
Also why do u think everyone here is to attack you? I'm just stating that give us an idea what YOur projects are like so pEOplE will shut up. just my .2cents.

I already have, as stated that the projects as presented in this thread are superior to anything I have completed to date, what more do you want?  Verification of said projects being lesser then yours?  Maybe I can work on a listing of the cars I have owned and what I did to them?



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Re: I really hope its nothing...
« Reply #88 on: Aug 24, 16, 13:38 »
Yes, everyone list their current stable of cars and how stupid you've been with putting money in:

I currently have:

A 1990 Miata i'm into for $10k but its worth $5k
A 1983 Westfalia "beater" which i'm also into for $10k but its worth $10k.
A 1997 Golf CL VR6 swap candidate and 1997 GTI VR6 swap donor i'm into for $1575 ish and they separately might be worth $2k.

LOL! Sad, sad list. 

But, i'm 30 and plan to be mortgage free by 40! LOL!


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« Reply #89 on: Aug 24, 16, 13:45 »
Yes, everyone list their current stable of cars and how stupid you've been with putting money in:

I currently have:

A 1990 Miata i'm into for $10k but its worth $5k
A 1983 Westfalia "beater" which i'm also into for $10k but its worth $10k.
A 1997 Golf CL VR6 swap candidate and 1997 GTI VR6 swap donor i'm into for $1575 ish and they separately might be worth $2k.

LOL! Sad, sad list. 

But, i'm 30 and plan to be mortgage free by 40! LOL!


I'm late 30's and Mortgage free......but then I don't own a house either.

lol

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« Reply #90 on: Aug 24, 16, 13:54 »
Yes, everyone list their current stable of cars and how stupid you've been with putting money in:

I currently have:

A 1990 Miata i'm into for $10k but its worth $5k
A 1983 Westfalia "beater" which i'm also into for $10k but its worth $10k.
A 1997 Golf CL VR6 swap candidate and 1997 GTI VR6 swap donor i'm into for $1575 ish and they separately might be worth $2k.

LOL! Sad, sad list. 

But, i'm 30 and plan to be mortgage free by 40! LOL!

97 2l jetta put just over $7k into. without buying the car, yet to do a swap or a respray (Cry in one eye)
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« Reply #91 on: Aug 24, 16, 13:57 »
In the interest of sharing, I'm 8 grand into the vr6 gti with the purchase price of 2800 included.

So that is roughly 5200 spent on parts, labour, body work, tools (for me to do certain things myself).

I've managed to be fairly creative with selling parts from the car I no longer intended to use to fund the purchase of others, and be opportunistic with part outs (thanks Stephen).


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« Reply #92 on: Aug 24, 16, 14:03 »
I'm late 30's and Mortgage free......but then I don't own a house either.

lol


Sure it counts!  you're paying off someone else's mortgage! LOL!

Use that education and buy something which you can get your money out of.

After spending $100k in rental fees your net ttl = $0 
$100k towards a mortgage even if the market plummets 50% = $50k

Back on track....cars people!

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« Reply #93 on: Aug 24, 16, 14:27 »


I'm 31,heres what we have :

1960 beetle - Paperweight
1983 Quattro - Headache
1984 GTI - Continual Project
1996 Golf Harlequin - Daily/Eventual Project
1997 GTI - Daily/project
2003 GTI - meghans car

Those are the keepers, I've got a couple of Saabs and a bunch of parts cars/motorcycles

The only one of these cars I will lose money on is the 2003 GTI due to owning it for 4 years and counting, racking up over 100,000kms and the general maintenance/repairs/modifications that come along with that span of ownership. If we were to sell it today we would be out $1500 a year on the high end
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« Reply #94 on: Aug 24, 16, 14:47 »
I'm opinionated and since I no longer have to deal with the general public directly I don't have good people skills developed any more.

Where did your skills go?
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Re: I really hope its nothing...
« Reply #95 on: Aug 24, 16, 14:53 »
Where did your skills go?

I was wondering this too....isn't it like riding a bicycle?

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« Reply #96 on: Aug 24, 16, 15:00 »
I was wondering this too....isn't it like riding a bicycle?
Unless you never actually learned to ride the bike in the 1st place?
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« Reply #97 on: Aug 24, 16, 15:49 »
Good luck with your education because it is more important than building cars! Start doing project cars when you have some spare money.
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« Reply #98 on: Aug 24, 16, 16:00 »
I've had great luck with older cars. 
People need to learn not to fuck with old cars unless they can suck it up and not complain
Don't touch an older car you plan on dailying it.
if you don't work on it yourself dont complain about paying someone.
Nothing will ever get done right for cheap or quick.
For instance if you get a $1000 car, spend the cash and do a PROPER refresh at once, do preventative repairs.
I had one hose blow so I replace every hose. One vacuum line leaks replace them all.
Pooched motor mounts? Or bearings? Do them all.
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« Reply #99 on: Aug 24, 16, 16:10 »
I've had great luck with older cars. 
People need to learn not to fuck with old cars unless they can suck it up and not complain
Don't touch an older car you plan on dailying it.
if you don't work on it yourself dont complain about paying someone.
Nothing will ever get done right for cheap or quick.
For instance if you get a $1000 car, spend the cash and do a PROPER refresh at once, do preventative repairs.
I had one hose blow so I replace every hose. One vacuum line leaks replace them all.
Pooched motor mounts? Or bearings? Do them all.

This is all common sense stuff for the most part. I don't think any of my posts constitute whining.

Because I've had to pay someone out of necessity to do the job, I've paid the right people to get the work done right.

I post what I do and have, simply to share with everyone else the experiences I have endured. If nothing else maybe some poor schmuck will see my posts if thinking about buying an older vr6 will either get scared away from the car all together or, more preferably formulate a realistic plan of attack when buying it.

Especially on cars like these, you kinda have to replace all of something if one goes, it just makes sense.




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« Reply #100 on: Aug 24, 16, 16:13 »
This is all common sense stuff for the most part. I don't think any of my posts constitute whining.

Because I've had to pay someone out of necessity to do the job, I've paid the right people to get the work done right.

I post what I do and have simply to share with everyone else the experiences I have endured. If nothing else maybe some poor schmuck will see my posts if thinking about buying an older vr6 and either get scared away from the car all together or, more preferably formulate a realistic plan of attack when buying it.

Especially on cars like these, you kinda have to replace all of something if one goes, it just makes sense.




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Re: I really hope its nothing...
« Reply #101 on: Aug 24, 16, 16:17 »
My post wasn't directed at anyone but generally speaking
Cars all cost money no matter what.
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Re: I really hope its nothing...
« Reply #102 on: Aug 24, 16, 16:19 »
Just don't buy an east coast car  :'(
Lol
Buying a complete or someone's project is the smartest route similar to buying new vs. 1-3 year old
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Re: I really hope its nothing...
« Reply #103 on: Aug 24, 16, 16:47 »


Did you ever pick up that can though, seems like it could be very useful! Did coolant reach the motor I think you stated or was it just leaking?
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« Reply #104 on: Aug 24, 16, 17:03 »
Don't touch an older car you plan on dailying it.

I've daily'd several older cars. My 91 Pasast for 5 years and currently my 81 Rabbit S.
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« Reply #105 on: Aug 24, 16, 17:09 »


Did you ever pick up that can though, seems like it could be very useful! Did coolant reach the motor I think you stated or was it just leaking?

Seemed to just be leaking. As I suspect from a few days ago I was experiencing a slow coolant leak, then a fast coolant leak :p

No I didn't pick up the can :(

At least I wasn't the asshole who dumped a engine full of coolant into the waterway. Missed both the manhole cover and the drain!

Except the next good rainfall will wash it all down into there anyway :(


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« Reply #106 on: Aug 24, 16, 20:19 »
I've daily'd several older cars. My 91 Pasast for 5 years and currently my 81 Rabbit S.
Yea me too and still do.
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Re: I really hope its nothing...
« Reply #107 on: Aug 24, 16, 21:16 »
Its a shame you have had no joy with that car. I personally daily drive my 96 vr6 Golf. Has given me very little trouble since I got it apart from a hefty speeding fine! I guess iv been lucky so far but with a car that age I can always expect headaches to pop up out of no where.. Good luck with whatever you decide to do with yours!
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« Reply #108 on: Aug 24, 16, 21:45 »
Its a shame you have had no joy with that car. I personally daily drive my 96 vr6 Golf. Has given me very little trouble since I got it apart from a hefty speeding fine! I guess iv been lucky so far but with a car that age I can always expect headaches to pop up out of no where.. Good luck with whatever you decide to do with yours!

Oh I've had joy, but it seems like a ledger. For every joyous occasion, there must be a massive headache just to keep things in check


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« Reply #109 on: Aug 25, 16, 08:53 »
I've daily'd several older cars. My 91 Pasast for 5 years and currently my 81 Rabbit S.
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Re: I really hope its nothing...
« Reply #110 on: Aug 25, 16, 08:56 »
here's my current list:
1990 GTX Project
1990 GL Project
1996 VR6 Driver project
1998 GL Parts donor
2003 GLS Project
2015 Xterra Wifes Daily driver

All in there's about $50k in money for the above.  I walk to work, so there isn't a daily driver in the mix. 

I've never in my life spent a lot on modifying cars, but I did once buy a fancy set of wheels and a sway bar for a Honda.....Man I loved that car!

I won't go into details on cost/value/etc as that would just create an additional shit storm of flames no one needs to see.

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Re: I really hope its nothing...
« Reply #111 on: Aug 25, 16, 08:59 »
here's my current list:
1990 GTX Project
1990 GL Project
1996 VR6 Driver project
1998 GL Parts donor
2003 GLS Project
2015 Xterra Wifes Daily driver

All in there's about $50k in money for the above.  I walk to work, so there isn't a daily driver in the mix. 

So I assume you're counting the xterra at about 45k of that.
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Re: I really hope its nothing...
« Reply #112 on: Aug 25, 16, 09:03 »
So I assume you're counting the xterra at about 45k of that.
It counts for $49k of it if you want to count numbers.
According to Dubberz there ain't no money in old VW's that have minor issues so I've removed their value from the equation.

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« Reply #113 on: Aug 25, 16, 09:04 »
It counts for $49k of it if you want to count numbers.
According to Dubberz there ain't no money in old VW's that have minor issues so I've removed their value from the equation.

lol


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Re: I really hope its nothing...
« Reply #114 on: Aug 25, 16, 09:08 »
Yeah we all hate VW's...that's what the site if for.
Sometimes it sounds like it.

Market here hates VW, if it ain't sitting 2' in the air on 40's chugging diesel it ain't worth driving.  bahahah

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Re: I really hope its nothing...
« Reply #115 on: Aug 25, 16, 12:27 »
I've daily'd several older cars. My 91 Pasast for 5 years and currently my 81 Rabbit S.

You basically rebuild them before you daily those cars. Not everyone has an Altrom account and space/skills to work on them.
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Re: I really hope its nothing...
« Reply #116 on: Aug 29, 16, 16:03 »


Blown head gasket
Cylinder full of oil, bent rod
Seized engine.

Hey, I wrote a haiku!

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« Reply #117 on: Aug 29, 16, 16:07 »
Yikes, pretty much the worst outcome that could have happened.

Sorry to hear man, hopefully you can unload the car and get yourself into something trouble free from here on out.
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Re: I really hope its nothing...
« Reply #118 on: Aug 29, 16, 16:08 »
Yikes, pretty much the worst outcome that could have happened.

Sorry to hear man, hopefully you can unload the car and get yourself into something trouble free from here on out.

Might already have something lined up

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« Reply #119 on: Aug 30, 16, 07:37 »


Blown head gasket
Cylinder full of oil, bent rod
Seized engine.

Hey, I wrote a haiku!
Worst luck, almost worth then my car luck over the years....

Good candidate for a nice swap though for someone.

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Re: I really hope its nothing...
« Reply #120 on: Aug 30, 16, 08:40 »
Worst luck, almost worth then my car luck over the years....

Good candidate for a nice swap though for someone.

I swear, if I didn't have bad luck I wouldn't have any luck at all!