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4.2l into b5 a4
« on: May 27, 13, 13:14 »
Anyone on this forum done this swap. I threw a rod through my block and highly considering it. I would like to hear first hand knowledge not what people have heard thank you

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« Reply #1 on: May 27, 13, 13:30 »
i think it's pretty safe to say that no one in this area has done this swap.

I know some guys in Alberta did an RS4 motor into a B6.

If your heart isn't set on keeping the B5 A4, you may want to consider shopping around for a B6 S4 if you are considering dropping the kind of coin it would take to do a swap of that nature. Another popular swap would be a VR swap, could even do a VR-T, would be pretty awesome.
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Re: 4.2l into b5 a4
« Reply #2 on: May 27, 13, 13:45 »
i think it's pretty safe to say that no one in this area has done this swap.

I know some guys in Alberta did an RS4 motor into a B6.

If your heart isn't set on keeping the B5 A4, you may want to consider shopping around for a B6 S4 if you are considering dropping the kind of coin it would take to do a swap of that nature. Another popular swap would be a VR swap, could even do a VR-T, would be pretty awesome.

From what I have read the vr6 swap is a hassle compared seeing as I'm already dbw. And I'm gonna part out my big turbo 1.8 set up to acquire the parts. Right now I have a car with no motor so I can't really sell it to put towards a new car. So I figured I might as well try something new haha

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« Reply #3 on: May 27, 13, 13:57 »
AZ or AW is going to be a better place to look for info.  Once you wade through the "OMG, just do a 2.7T so you can boost it through the ass" responses you'll find a couple guys in the B5 section who have done the swap.  It's very tight though, small engine bay.  I love the 4.2, hell I'm on my second one now, but in a B5 a 2.7T might be the better option since you'll have the chance to do all the engine maintenance before the engine is installed.  Less custom work and it's an application the B5 platform got from the factory.
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Re: 4.2l into b5 a4
« Reply #4 on: May 27, 13, 14:22 »
RS4 into a b6 makes sense since the s4 is already a V8.

Personally I think you might have more fun with a BUILT 2.7T

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« Reply #5 on: May 27, 13, 14:33 »
RS4 into a b6 makes sense since the s4 is already a V8.

Personally I think you might have more fun with a BUILT 2.7T

sure as hell cheaper/easier to drag power out of than the 4.2. Lots of good 4.2 development out there from a few companies but it definitely is a bring money type of situation with that motor. I agree with the 2.7T option as well.
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« Reply #6 on: May 27, 13, 14:38 »
sure as hell cheaper/easier to drag power out of than the 4.2. Lots of good 4.2 development out there from a few companies but it definitely is a bring money type of situation with that motor. I agree with the 2.7T option as well.

Depends on what you're going after.  If you want a motor to use as a base for a huge power build then of course the 4.2 (or pretty much any NA engine) is the wrong choice.  If you don't want to mod the engine the 4.2L beats the 2.7T hands down in every aspect except fuel consumption.
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Re: 4.2l into b5 a4
« Reply #7 on: May 27, 13, 14:56 »
I'm not overly worried about power. Really love the sound of the v8. Don't overly care about gas. And wanna try the all motor.

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« Reply #8 on: May 27, 13, 15:00 »
I'Don't overly care about gas.

lol, you say that now.... come back and talk to me when you've pulled up next to an H2 at a light and thought yourself "hmm... that's a remarkably fuel efficient vehicle".  :rofl:
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Re: 4.2l into b5 a4
« Reply #9 on: May 27, 13, 15:25 »
Yeah true but a built 2.7tt would go through gas quite badly aswell I would think

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« Reply #10 on: May 27, 13, 19:13 »
2.7T would allow you to stay off boost in daily driving which would burn a lot less.  4.2L you're consuming a lot even on light throttle.  I average about 10mpg in my S6 if I'm driving on 100% surface.  That improves to about 15mpg if it's a mix of surface and freeway.  19mpg is the best I've ever seen and that was cruising the I5 to Seattle.
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Re: 4.2l into b5 a4
« Reply #11 on: May 27, 13, 19:23 »
The A4 is alot smaller and would get slightly better mileage if it's setup and running properly. The 2.7TT can be an absolute pig on fuel if not set up properly aswell
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« Reply #12 on: May 27, 13, 19:34 »
when i had my 2.7tt i was seeing 600kms a tank regularly if i drove it like a grandma... as soon as fun starts to be had mileage gets halved.
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Re: 4.2l into b5 a4
« Reply #13 on: May 27, 13, 20:41 »
Alright I think I'm gonna end up going with a 2.7t. I know everyone will say to sell mine and just buy one but my car has no motor right now anyway so I could part it out or just do the swap either way I'm sitting on a b5 shell for a while plus I just did a wide body rear end and matte lava grey paint. So if anyone need big turbo 1.8t parts I will be making a part out list shortly.

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Re: 4.2l into b5 a4
« Reply #14 on: May 27, 13, 21:45 »
Just do a 5.2 v10. Sounds more sexy ;)
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« Reply #15 on: May 27, 13, 21:46 »

Just do a 5.2 v10. Sounds more sexy ;)
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Re: 4.2l into b5 a4
« Reply #16 on: May 27, 13, 22:30 »
The 2.7tt actually sounds pretty ridiculous with exhaust/intake, too.

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« Reply #17 on: May 28, 13, 20:10 »
The 2.7tt actually sounds pretty ridiculous with exhaust/intake, too.

The 5.2 with stock exh still sounds more sexy ;)
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Re: 4.2l into b5 a4
« Reply #18 on: May 29, 13, 12:48 »
Swap a 12V VR6T
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« Reply #19 on: May 29, 13, 16:55 »
put an 8v in it
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« Reply #20 on: May 29, 13, 17:20 »
Even more interesting would be the V6TFSI



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Boy would it be a nightmare to actually get working but it would probably be pretty damn quick!
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« Reply #21 on: May 30, 13, 13:36 »
I dont think that will fit. Also, the transmission will be completely different.
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« Reply #22 on: May 30, 13, 16:19 »
lol, you say that now.... come back and talk to me when you've pulled up next to an H2 at a light and thought yourself "hmm... that's a remarkably fuel efficient vehicle".  :rofl:

hahaha ive done this, as someone that puts about 500km a week on a B6 S4 its shit on gas, and the sooner you learn to accept that the better you are. Also the 4.2 will be tight in a B5. and the only one you could run is the S4 one as it is the smallest version. But the S4 ones still go for a descent chunk of change and are a very complex/stupid design, the chain system goes and get ready for a nice big bill (mine got done last month). Pretty well do the 2.7t and just stay away.
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« Reply #23 on: May 31, 13, 00:03 »
Oh believe me, I accepted it about 3 years ago when I bought my first 4.2.  I mention it mainly because most people who are used to the standard 1.8T A4 can't believe just how thirsty an engine the 4.2 really is.  That first 82L fill (in my case, I know your tank is only 55L) and realization that you only got 300km for your $140 comes as a mighty shock to most :rofl:

To expand on your S4 4.2L comment, that specific variant is a brutally expensive engine to maintain/repair if something goes wrong.  Timing chains are on the back so forget about an "affordable" $1700 timing belt service, doing the timing chains on that engine is roughly a $3500 service because the engine needs to be pulled.  In fact pretty much every maintenance job starts with "Remove engine" as it's first step.  If something does go wrong, you're usually looking at replacing the engine altogether.  A buddy of mine in Edmonton just finished doing it on his Dad's 2005.5 Avant (Mike's old S4).  Crate engine was about $17K plus install; he ended up finding a rebuildable core in Calgary, ordering all the maintenance and rebuild items online, then had a local shop do the rebuild.  He and his dad installed themselves to save on shop labour and it ended up being a steal at ~ $13,000 all in.

As much fun as my engine would be in a car that weighs a good 700 - 800lbs less, the 2.7T is the much much better and more sensible swap option for a B5.  It would be interesting to see what the balance would be like with a 4.2 in a B5, the C5 and B6 V8's all used a lot of aluminium panels, subframes and suspension pieces to help keep the weigh down and to keep the car as neutral as possible, I have a feeling the B5 would be quite nose heavy without that weight reduction.
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« Reply #24 on: Jun 01, 13, 10:05 »
sure you could go the 4.2L route, but its the sub-optimal choice.
its more expensive, more customization, less parts available, and ultimately wont make as much power, not to mention heavy front end.

i know people hate it when you say "you can boost a 2.7TT out the ass" but its a simple fact that you can.  and its tried tested and true.  the kits available for plug and play essentially are endless, there is tons of options for everything you want, and there are lots of people that have done it before you.
unless you want to pave your own way just because, the 2.7TT route is a much smarter way to go
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« Reply #25 on: Jun 01, 13, 22:13 »
i know people hate it when you say "you can boost a 2.7TT out the ass" but its a simple fact that you can.  and its tried tested and true.  the kits available for plug and play essentially are endless, there is tons of options for everything you want, and there are lots of people that have done it before you.

You'll note that one one claimed any different ;)  if you want to mod your engine for huge power the 2.7T is the best choice.  That's generally why the 2.7T, and specifically the B5 S4, is the current choice of the boy racer set.  the 2.7T is the 1.8T of the Audi world.  On the other hand, if 300 - 350 is enough for you then 4.2 is the better choice because it gives you that out of the box.

In this case a 4.2 isn't the best choice simple because it'd be a custom swap... but we've already established that a couple days ago ;)
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« Reply #26 on: Jun 03, 13, 10:07 »
You'll note that one one claimed any different ;)  if you want to mod your engine for huge power the 2.7T is the best choice.  That's generally why the 2.7T, and specifically the B5 S4, is the current choice of the boy racer set.  the 2.7T is the 1.8T of the Audi world.  On the other hand, if 300 - 350 is enough for you then 4.2 is the better choice because it gives you that out of the box.

Yep 2.7T is the better motor if you want to make retard power. But the 4.2 is the way better daily one. Lets not even start to compare the gearbox's, the 4.2 one is way better.
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« Reply #27 on: Jun 03, 13, 10:23 »
Lets not even start to compare the gearbox's, the 4.2 one is way better.

This one really depends on your model though.  In a 6MT then absolutely, however the 4.2L is pretty notorious for chewing through auto transmissions in the C5 and D2 models.  They did more or less sort it the auto issues out with the B6, C6 and D3 but it's not really fair to compare those cars to anything with a 2.7T since that's a 1 to 2 generation difference.  The 2.7T 6MT can also easily be upgraded which you're going to do if you're going to heavily mod the engine and aren't of the boy racers on AZ or AW who thinks they can buy a $5K S4, install an APR chip with Frankenturbos and run 18+psi with no other work and have a reliable car.
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« Reply #28 on: Jun 03, 13, 15:10 »
a V10 FSI motor has been done so I guess they do fit.
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« Reply #29 on: Jun 06, 13, 14:37 »
again though if you want 300-350 power, the 2.7TT is a plug and play drop right in and can make that reliably for little cost.  i still see no reason why you would deviate from it.

Yes the 4.2L might be a better daily engine (albeit a thirsty one), but its still going to be a MASSIVE pain to swap in vs the 2.7TT.
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« Reply #30 on: Jun 06, 13, 16:52 »
I don't think 2.7T is a plug-and-play.
There's really no point fucking with 2.7T if you can swap a VR6 in it for more awesome. Or buy an S4.
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« Reply #31 on: Jun 06, 13, 20:24 »
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« Reply #33 on: Jun 07, 13, 13:59 »
I don't think 2.7T is a plug-and-play.
There's really no point fucking with 2.7T if you can swap a VR6 in it for more awesome. Or buy an S4.

there's enough people that have done it now and harnesses available that it basically is. 
but i agree, just buy an S4
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« Reply #34 on: Jun 07, 13, 14:17 »
Yep buy a B5 s4, swap a 1.8T back into ur car and move up in the world.
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« Reply #35 on: Jun 07, 13, 15:18 »
Yep buy a B5 s4, swap a 1.8T back into ur car and move up in the world.

what he said.
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« Reply #36 on: Jul 02, 13, 19:35 »
Oh believe me, I accepted it about 3 years ago when I bought my first 4.2.  I mention it mainly because most people who are used to the standard 1.8T A4 can't believe just how thirsty an engine the 4.2 really is.  That first 82L fill (in my case, I know your tank is only 55L) and realization that you only got 300km for your $140 comes as a mighty shock to most :rofl:

To expand on your S4 4.2L comment, that specific variant is a brutally expensive engine to maintain/repair if something goes wrong.  Timing chains are on the back so forget about an "affordable" $1700 timing belt service, doing the timing chains on that engine is roughly a $3500 service because the engine needs to be pulled.  In fact pretty much every maintenance job starts with "Remove engine" as it's first step.  If something does go wrong, you're usually looking at replacing the engine altogether.  A buddy of mine in Edmonton just finished doing it on his Dad's 2005.5 Avant (Mike's old S4).  Crate engine was about $17K plus install; he ended up finding a rebuildable core in Calgary, ordering all the maintenance and rebuild items online, then had a local shop do the rebuild.  He and his dad installed themselves to save on shop labour and it ended up being a steal at ~ $13,000 all in.

As much fun as my engine would be in a car that weighs a good 700 - 800lbs less, the 2.7T is the much much better and more sensible swap option for a B5.  It would be interesting to see what the balance would be like with a 4.2 in a B5, the C5 and B6 V8's all used a lot of aluminium panels, subframes and suspension pieces to help keep the weigh down and to keep the car as neutral as possible, I have a feeling the B5 would be quite nose heavy without that weight reduction.
Your buddy obviously doesn't know what he is doing. First of all its not really the chains that go on these motors but rather the guides, etc.. and its usually because of neglect or improper servicing. The parts can be purchased new for around 3K plus labour which usually ends up costing around 6-7K all in. At that point you sort of have a refurbished engine which should last a long time. Used engines can be had for around 4K which is what I sell them for as well, some auto wreckers ofcourse want much more. You can buy a 2.7tt for about half that cost but its going to have higher kms and will need some immediate servicing before you can put it in your car, so the overall cost is going to be similar. Also the 2.7tts will most likely need turbos soon.....both engines are not cheap to run.

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« Reply #37 on: Jul 02, 13, 19:40 »
I don't think 2.7T is a plug-and-play.
There's really no point fucking with 2.7T if you can swap a VR6 in it for more awesome. Or buy an S4.
I sort of agree with this....you can pick up a Touareg 3.2L engine (same as R32) for around 3K and you will have appx same power as a stock B5 S4 with a bulletproof engine. If you want more power you can always turbo the thing down the road.....that would for sure be the best swap.

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« Reply #38 on: Jul 02, 13, 20:12 »
I don't think 2.7T is a plug-and-play.
There's really no point fucking with 2.7T if you can swap a VR6 in it for more awesome. Or buy an S4.

and the awesome thing about a VR swap is that they're so cheap that you can buy a spare to throw in the trunk to use as ballast.

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« Reply #39 on: Jul 02, 13, 20:56 »
Your buddy obviously doesn't know what he is doing. First of all its not really the chains that go on these motors but rather the guides, etc.. and its usually because of neglect or improper servicing. The parts can be purchased new for around 3K plus labour which usually ends up costing around 6-7K all in. At that point you sort of have a refurbished engine which should last a long time. Used engines can be had for around 4K which is what I sell them for as well, some auto wreckers ofcourse want much more. You can buy a 2.7tt for about half that cost but its going to have higher kms and will need some immediate servicing before you can put it in your car, so the overall cost is going to be similar. Also the 2.7tts will most likely need turbos soon.....both engines are not cheap to run.

You're right, a couple grand worth of parts plus a few more grand more in labour can repair the results of a timing chain guide failure.... it can't repair a total loss of compression on cylinders 1 & 5 rendering the engine more or less unrebuildable.  Similarly you can buy a used block, pretty sure he paid $2700 + gas to drive from Edmonton to Calgary and back when he picked it up, however then you're just left with a used block which you have no idea how it's been treated or what is likely to fail on it.

Guys who actually do know what they're doing don't just slap in a used block and assume all will be well in a car they're planning on keeping, that's what kids without adult incomes do to get their cars back on the road.  That's why Martin had the used block fully rebuilt from the ground up before he installed it back into his father's Avant.  Every seal, guide, gasket, belt, ring and spring was replaced.  The heads were decked, the water pump replaced and the starter that Mike installed in the S not long before he sold it was transferred over.  They also did a clutch job.  In other words, he did exactly what you should do everytime you work on/have work done on your car.... he looked at it and said "What wear items can I replace while I'm in there to prevent a future failure or repair?", then he spent the money and did it.  $13K is on the cheap side for what amounts to an effectively brand new S engine and clutch.
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« Reply #40 on: Jul 03, 13, 11:00 »
You're right, a couple grand worth of parts plus a few more grand more in labour can repair the results of a timing chain guide failure.... it can't repair a total loss of compression on cylinders 1 & 5 rendering the engine more or less unrebuildable.  Similarly you can buy a used block, pretty sure he paid $2700 + gas to drive from Edmonton to Calgary and back when he picked it up, however then you're just left with a used block which you have no idea how it's been treated or what is likely to fail on it.

Guys who actually do know what they're doing don't just slap in a used block and assume all will be well in a car they're planning on keeping, that's what kids without adult incomes do to get their cars back on the road.  That's why Martin had the used block fully rebuilt from the ground up before he installed it back into his father's Avant.  Every seal, guide, gasket, belt, ring and spring was replaced.  The heads were decked, the water pump replaced and the starter that Mike installed in the S not long before he sold it was transferred over.  They also did a clutch job.  In other words, he did exactly what you should do everytime you work on/have work done on your car.... he looked at it and said "What wear items can I replace while I'm in there to prevent a future failure or repair?", then he spent the money and did it.  $13K is on the cheap side for what amounts to an effectively brand new S engine and clutch.
Did not mean to come across in an insulting kind of way, what I meant to say is that it does not have to cost this much to replace or repair an S4 engine. What your friend did there is more a total refurbishing, which is great if you have the mula to spend on such things. For most people maintaining a used car does not usually mean rebuilding engines at a cost of 13K.....a used good engine could be found and even if one does preventative maintenance before putting it in the car with new chains, guides, etc...the cost would still be about half of that.

Similarly one can spend 3-4K rebuilding an 8V in their 2.0L Jetta.....that is not the norm,

I react to statements like yours mainly because people who never even drove an Audi will read such comments on the internet and then soon enough you will have a bunch of threads on the net claiming that it costs 13K to replace an Audi S4 engine and scare people away from owning these cars in the future.

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« Reply #41 on: Jul 03, 13, 12:12 »
I react to statements like yours mainly because people who never even drove an Audi will read such comments on the internet and then soon enough you will have a bunch of threads on the net claiming that it costs 13K to replace an Audi S4 engine and scare people away from owning these cars in the future.

People should be apprehensive of owning older audi's, they seem to forget that they are 50-70k dollar cars and not 10k dollar cars. I would say for the average person a 13k dollar repair job to replace/replenish an S4 motor is probably not too far off especially since those are the people who will take it to a shop and say "fix it" because they do not want to scour the wreckers and the online parts dealers to get the best deal. They want their car fixed in an efficient manner and most shops don't want to waste time searching for bargain or used parts.
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Re: 4.2l into b5 a4
« Reply #42 on: Jul 03, 13, 15:09 »
People should be apprehensive of owning older audi's, they seem to forget that they are 50-70k dollar cars and not 10k dollar cars.

This, although the only reason you should be apprehensive is if you are stupid enough not to do your research before buying and walk into it expecting the same maintenance costs as you see on a Civic or Corolla. 

Notice how the "Audi's are sooooooo expensive to own" whine/sob stories never come from owners of current models?  It's almost always from the kids who bought a 10yr old Audi because it had depreciated enough to be dirt cheap to purchase and didn't think they'd need a maintenance budget.  The cost of maintenance never depreciates, but by the time the purchase cost does depreciate significantly most of the major maintenance costs are coming due. (hmmmm...... correlation there perhaps?  :yes: ).  You see the same thing over in the BMW world with the E46 M3, dirt cheap to buy brutally expensive to maintain. 

Doubly true now that more and more older M3's and S4's are owned by younger kids who bought the "cool car" on shoestring budget and less and less are owned by the 1st or 2nd owners (it mature adults with adult sized wallets for repairs and maintenance).  That's part of the reason why I prefer my C5 V8's, they're not a tuner car so most examples have been owned by adults with money so they're reasonably well maintained.  Also what makes the C5 S6, or a mod'ed AllRoad, the perfect sleeper.  No one expects the big family wagon to be able to go like snot ;)
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Re: 4.2l into b5 a4
« Reply #43 on: Jul 04, 13, 09:46 »
I would say most cars now are expensive to repair if something goes wrong unless they are a base model or high volume car like a Civic, 2.0L VW or Corolla. Heck, even if you blow up a diesel engine in a F350 which many people would think is cheap to maintain is going to cost you about 10K. This is going to only become worse with all the turbo engines popping up in cars.

You would be surprised however how many people are searching for bargains ...... the days of open wallet repairs are gone, not in this economy (unless you live in Alberta maybe). I have put quite a few S4 and Allroad/A6 owners back on the road this year already with used engines or transmissions. There are also the people who don't want to even spend 3-4K on a used motor and simply dump their broken cars for next to nothing and use the money they would spend on repairs to buy another car. I get calls every week asking if I want to buy this or that with blown engines, transmissions or other problems. The most prolific of these would be the 1.8T Passat/Audi A4, I get a call on these at least once a week.

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Re: 4.2l into b5 a4
« Reply #44 on: Jul 04, 13, 13:30 »
What Nick and I are saying is there are a lot of people who really can't afford to operate a luxury vehicle yet buy an older A4/S4/A6/AllRoad simply because those cars have depreciated down to the same price as a Civic, 2.0L VW or Corolla.  They look at it and thingk "why buy the econo shitbox when I can get a really nice/cool Audi/MB/BMW for the basically same price"?  Unfortunately the Real Cost of Ownership is always maintenance which is something most people forget then find themselves shocked/scared as hell once the bills for that Audi/MB/BMW start rolling in... especially if they're comparing the RCO to that of the Civic, 2.0L VW or Corolla they're probably used to owning.

Just because a luxury car which originally cost $50,000 - $100,000 has depreciated to the point that it now sells for the same price as the econobox that started started off at $17,000 - $25,000 doesn't mean you're not still paying to maintain and operate a $50,000 - $100,000 luxury car.  Most of the "OMGZ, older Audi's are sooooooo expensive to maintain/fix" comments that I've seen are invariably from people who bought without researching enough to learn that pretty obvious fact.  Similarly most of the people going on about how unreliable older Audi's are are those people that thought they were buying a cheap car that you can scrimp or skip on maintenance without any negative effects.  It's part of the reason why I make a point of mentioning the service costs in threads like this one.

People are always searching for bargains, as these cars age it's always going to increase because they're owned either by people who can't afford to maintain/repair them properly or by the original owners who have basically run them into the ground and aren't willing to put almost as much, or more, than the car is now worth into repairing it.  Doesn't really change my previous statement about adult wallets vs wannabe boy racers buying cars like B5/B6 S4's and E46 M3's that they can't afford to maintain peroperly ;)
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