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mkIVmang

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Thinking of purchasing an A3 S-Line! HELP
« on: Oct 17, 11, 12:09 »
Hey, so I currently own a MK4 Golf...looking to purchase possibly an A3 s-line. Any reviews? Pros? Cons? Looking to hear what people have to say as I am no Audi/VW knowledge buff. What should I be looking for when purchasing one of these or any Audi? Any specific years better than others? Looking at 2006-2008...can't afford brand new. Thank you!

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Re: Thinking of purchasing an A3 S-Line! HELP
« Reply #1 on: Oct 17, 11, 12:51 »
Hey, so I currently own a MK4 Golf...looking to purchase possibly an A3 s-line. Any reviews? Pros? Cons? Looking to hear what people have to say as I am no Audi/VW knowledge buff. What should I be looking for when purchasing one of these or any Audi? Any specific years better than others? Looking at 2006-2008...can't afford brand new. Thank you!

Assuming you will be going for a 2.0T model.  Make sure that ALL preventative maintenance is take care of. Cam follower is a big one on the engines and if that goes and it destroys your cam and results in a big bill to repair if its out of warranty. Also ensure that the timing belt has been done if it is over that interval. If you are buying a DSG ensure that they have done the required DSG maintenance (oil/filter change). Little stuff like the DV and PCV system can be switched out to more reliable systems but the expense of that is minor.

If you are looking for the AWD aspect, that was only available as a DSG 3.2 model and they are few and far between. 2.0T AWD models didn't start arriving until 2010 IIRC.

If you aren't set on S-Line, this one is a good deal and has been properly maintained! http://dubberz.com/forum/index.php/topic,49772.0.html  ;)
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mkIVmang

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Re: Thinking of purchasing an A3 S-Line! HELP
« Reply #2 on: Oct 17, 11, 14:12 »
My budget for a vehicle is approx 24k max. I would love to be able to come across the AWD 3.2L version preferably as the AWD is a huge bonus for me (being it that I head to the ski hill lots!!!) tho if the performance from the 2.0T is decent and the reliability of it is decent as well then I wouldnt mind finding either a DSG or 6 speed manual....in your opinion what would be a decent selection? DSG auto? or 6 speed manual? I am heading down the 2nd week of november to do some test driving and make a purchase and would like to hear as much positive and negatives of the vehicle prior to purchase (even though in the end its what I like not you! haha) but your educated hands are much appreciated!!!

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Re: Thinking of purchasing an A3 S-Line! HELP
« Reply #3 on: Oct 17, 11, 14:40 »
2.0T isn't a bad motor but she sure has flaws. In an A3 i would imagine its fun. Give it an APR flash and you're laughing. As for the Cam follower its not the end of the world. They just extended the warranty for that exact issue. In my case i purchase a A4 Avant the cam follower was toast ended up having to do the timing belt on my dime was all cause it was due. Car had 91,000 miles on it. Warranty was extended to 120,000 Miles. I believe the Canadian cars are around 190,000 km.

Oh and buy manual.

Nic is correct you don't see awd unless its a 3.2 until 2010

mkIVmang

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Re: Thinking of purchasing an A3 S-Line! HELP
« Reply #4 on: Oct 17, 11, 16:21 »

If you aren't set on S-Line, this one is a good deal and has been properly maintained! http://dubberz.com/forum/index.php/topic,49772.0.html  ;)

Hasn't this thing seen a bigger turbo, exhaust, brakes, and clutch replacement? If it hasnt been beat, then its a good deal. I want a reliable vehicle that I can get to and from the ski hill and around without worrying about what octane fuel I put in it and maintenance after every drive...I've been there. Its expensive. haha.

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Re: Thinking of purchasing an A3 S-Line! HELP
« Reply #5 on: Oct 17, 11, 17:42 »
DGS is pretty fun as well. Revo, not APR. Get extended warranty, it's worth it. Be prepared to hear it sound like a diesel, if you're going for the 4 banger.
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Re: Thinking of purchasing an A3 S-Line! HELP
« Reply #6 on: Oct 18, 11, 10:30 »
DGS is pretty fun as well. Revo, not APR. Get extended warranty, it's worth it. Be prepared to hear it sound like a diesel, if you're going for the 4 banger.
It's not that loud.

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Re: Thinking of purchasing an A3 S-Line! HELP
« Reply #7 on: Oct 18, 11, 10:35 »
as for which chip/flash debate

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Purpose
Conduct data logs and dyno testing of GIAC, REVO, and APR resulting in the most appropriate software for my 2005.5 Audi A4 2.0T Quattro 6 speed manual.

Approach

Conditions
        The data logs were conducted using a Ross Tech vag-com HEX+CAN USB interface with the Turbo button enabled.  A Mustang all-wheel-dyno, located at Vivid Racing, was used for the horsepower and torque measurements.  Chevron 91 Octane was used through out the whole testing process.  Each software flash was on the car for two weeks before it went to the dyno.  The fuel pump installed on the car is the "B" pump.  There are no modifications other than the software.  All data logs were measured on the same road going the same direction.  The logs were conducted in 3rd gear starting at 2500 RPM's followed by WOT until redline (6800 RPM's).

Software
GIAC was purchased at Evolution Motorsports, REVO at 20 Valve Tuners, and APR at Billy Boat exhaust.  The GIAC was purchased and soon followed by a full refund with no hassles.  20 Valve Tuners also, refunded the full purchase price with no hassles.  The APR was purchased since the timed trial would have expired before 2 weeks were reached (they will refund money up to 30 days).  APR was tested using the 91 octane program.  GIAC was loaded preconfigured for 91 octane.  The REVO flash was set with timing at 1 and boost at 6 (set by 20 Valve Tuners).

Results       

Air:Fuel - block 31 (calculated by Lambda actual * 14.7)




Fuel Rail Pressure - block 106 note check scale it is not 60 - 120




Boost - block 115 (calculated by (boost actual - 920) * .0145) note 920 is the pressure inside the turbo at idle here in Arizona.




Timing correction Factors (all cylinders) - block 20




Timing - block 11




All the exhaust gas temperatures were within normal limits at or below 810 degrees C.

Dyno - note all the dyno numbers are uncorrected.  Corrected numbers will be here soon as vivid racing fixes there printer.

APR vs Stock


GIAC vs Stock


REVO vs Stock


order top to bottom = APR - REVO - GIAC


Analysis and Conclusions
The testing went very well.  There were many miles driven, a lot of time spent, many risks taken and much money blown, but I enjoyed meeting all the tuners and talking with the software companies.  I am in no way affiliated with any software company, and did my best to keep the results fair and even.  This report is my personal doing that I am nice enough to share with everyone with hopes of creating some very good technical discussions.  I drove way to many miles (at least 110 miles each way 5 times) and spent too much money to have a pissing contest because of personal preferences.  Not to mention that I beat the piss out of my baby.  I went WOT in the last 6 weeks more than most people will in their A4's life.  I am sorry baby... please forgive me!

That being said - I want to thank Mitch at Vivid Racing for doing all my dyno runs, Chris at 20 Valve tuners for loading and adjusting the REVO software, Anders at Evolution Motorsports for loading the GIAC, and Eric and Billy at Billy Boat exhaust for flashing my ECU with APR (and thanks to everyone for flashing me back to stock).  If anyone is in the Phoenix area please pay these guys a visit - they were all good to me.  Thanks again guys!       

In the future I plan on testing new software revisions along with some hardware modifications.  GIAC and APR informed me they were testing new software products at the time this article was written.

My personal feelings (yes opinions) not meant to start a pissing contest, just what I felt.  APR felt very smooth, so smooth I was surprised at the power it made.  APR has the smoothest shifts (don't seem to loose power between shifts).  The REVO has a blast of torque that can be felt, but doesn't seem to hold its power as long.  The GIAC felt similar to stock, but not as smooth (kind of choppy).
       
My rating
1. APR
2. REVO
3. GIAC

diesteppenfuchs

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Re: Thinking of purchasing an A3 S-Line! HELP
« Reply #8 on: Oct 18, 11, 17:05 »
This "what chip to get thing" talk happened 7456832903284759 times before on every corner/forum/dyno room/joint in the parking lot, and as many chips - as many followers.

I personally run an Oettinger chip and I'm happy with it, I drove APR and Revo and the latter feels more brutal, and I kind of liked that. Just my two cents.
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far4nugn

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Re: Thinking of purchasing an A3 S-Line! HELP
« Reply #9 on: Oct 18, 11, 17:15 »

Awd is available in 2009 in 2.0t form, I own one. :thumbup:

2.0T isn't a bad motor but she sure has flaws. In an A3 i would imagine its fun. Give it an APR flash and you're laughing. As for the Cam follower its not the end of the world. They just extended the warranty for that exact issue. In my case i purchase a A4 Avant the cam follower was toast ended up having to do the timing belt on my dime was all cause it was due. Car had 91,000 miles on it. Warranty was extended to 120,000 Miles. I believe the Canadian cars are around 190,000 km.

Oh and buy manual.

Nic is correct you don't see awd unless its a 3.2 until 2010

mkIVmang

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Re: Thinking of purchasing an A3 S-Line! HELP
« Reply #10 on: Oct 19, 11, 08:30 »
So all in all what I have gathered is that giving my vehicle (once i purchase) a flash is going to make night/day difference performance wise? Cool. Now...DSG or manual? I would reallllllly like leather interior and if anyone knows of any good deals on a 3.2 AWD let me know!! I have only come across a couple.

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Re: Thinking of purchasing an A3 S-Line! HELP
« Reply #11 on: Oct 19, 11, 09:27 »
I am a big fan of DSG. Had it on my Jetta and now on my S4. Now that they have pretty much solved the problems and tossed a long warranty out there for certain MY's.

If you drive in traffic all the time you will certainly like the DSG more.

Drive both. It's the only way you will know :thumbup:
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Re: Thinking of purchasing an A3 S-Line! HELP
« Reply #12 on: Oct 19, 11, 16:45 »
came across this one while trolling craigslist

http://vancouver.en.craigslist.ca/van/cto/2657201935.html

mkIVmang

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Re: Thinking of purchasing an A3 S-Line! HELP
« Reply #13 on: Oct 20, 11, 06:20 »
came across this one while trolling craigslist

http://vancouver.en.craigslist.ca/van/cto/2657201935.html
Unfortunately it's a rebuild with a salvage title. The guy did all the work himself. I found that one too and was figuring it had to be too good to be true...and it was. haha. Thank you though!